Gonzalo: That‘sbetter. Now, let me tell you something: narratology is a sham. It‘sfor losers who can’t get laid. You know what I‘m saying? Narratologists can go suck it, as far as I‘m concerned. Kiss my sweet ass, Vladimir Propp! You?re not going to put that in the transcript, are you?

Walter: Of course not. Well, looks like it‘stime for me to go, now.

Gonzalo: Gonzalo ?The Political Games Guy? Frasca.

Walter: Gotcha.

—Coffee with Gonzalo Frasca (Ludonauts)

This interview (published on the significant date of April 1) really puts the ludology vs. narratology debate into perspective.